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	<description>A Friend looks at (mostly) the environment: "Let all nations hear the sound by word or writing. Spare not place, spare not tongue, nor pen...This is the word of the Lord God to you all, a charge to you all in the presence of the living God; be patterns, be examples in all countries, places, islands, nations, wherever you come; that your life and conduct may preach among all sorts of people, and to them. Then you will come to walk cheerfully over the world, answering that of God in every one...Spare no deceit." George Fox</description>
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		<title>Comment on Communicating on climate change—don&#8217;t forget the heart by Paul Klinkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Klinkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 19:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among Friends around 1740 were two antislavery advocates, John Woolman and Anthony Benezet.  Both wanted to move Friends&#039; hearts.

Benezet used to stand outside meetinghouses on First Day and, as people came out, he had a bladder of pigs blood up his sleeve.  He&#039;d dump the bladder onto his hands and talk about the blood being on Friends&#039; hands.

Woolman had bad dreams about slavery, and he eventually found that he couldn&#039;t write a bill of sale for a slave.  He could have stopped there and he would have been a storekeeper for all of his life, but he changed his trade so that he could spend the rest of his life traveling and worshiping with Friends with a concern for shunning slavery.  The Truth is true for everyone equally, and Truth is spread through love and through patient suffering.  In this way, hearers become equally passionate advocates for the same Truth.

In the end, Woolman and his prayerful mission was recognized as succeeding.  The few last American Friends who wouldn&#039;t get out of the slavery business were disowned.  Then people of other denominations started to take up the cry.  Numbers of Friends were moved to assist in the Underground Railroad.  In 1865 slavery was made unconstitutional.  

Numbers of Friends are already abhorred of catastrophic climate change.  The early train on this movement has already left the station and the second train is boarding now.  At this point we&#039;re looking for more effective tactical positions toward the rapid spread of climate change abolitionism.  You&#039;re right to note the importance of moving hearts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among Friends around 1740 were two antislavery advocates, John Woolman and Anthony Benezet.  Both wanted to move Friends&#8217; hearts.</p>
<p>Benezet used to stand outside meetinghouses on First Day and, as people came out, he had a bladder of pigs blood up his sleeve.  He&#8217;d dump the bladder onto his hands and talk about the blood being on Friends&#8217; hands.</p>
<p>Woolman had bad dreams about slavery, and he eventually found that he couldn&#8217;t write a bill of sale for a slave.  He could have stopped there and he would have been a storekeeper for all of his life, but he changed his trade so that he could spend the rest of his life traveling and worshiping with Friends with a concern for shunning slavery.  The Truth is true for everyone equally, and Truth is spread through love and through patient suffering.  In this way, hearers become equally passionate advocates for the same Truth.</p>
<p>In the end, Woolman and his prayerful mission was recognized as succeeding.  The few last American Friends who wouldn&#8217;t get out of the slavery business were disowned.  Then people of other denominations started to take up the cry.  Numbers of Friends were moved to assist in the Underground Railroad.  In 1865 slavery was made unconstitutional.  </p>
<p>Numbers of Friends are already abhorred of catastrophic climate change.  The early train on this movement has already left the station and the second train is boarding now.  At this point we&#8217;re looking for more effective tactical positions toward the rapid spread of climate change abolitionism.  You&#8217;re right to note the importance of moving hearts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cost of New Electricity &#8212; Pt 1/2 by Maury Markowitz</title>
		<link>http://pathsoflight.us/musing/2007/01/cost-of-new-electricity-%e2%80%93-pt-12/comment-page-1/#comment-194277</link>
		<dc:creator>Maury Markowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Karen, I just noticed this post now - normally I would get an email ping.

Anyway, inverters are generally warranty for 10 to 12 years, although most also offer a 20 to 25 year extended warranty. Most micro-inverters come with a 25 year warranty. For instance, google up &quot;enphase warranty&quot; (or enecsys, sparq, etc).

For long-term predictions, some suggest that panel lifetimes on the order of 100 years should be considered. 40 years is more typical. But here&#039;s some good reading:

Solar Photovoltaics: Competing in the Energy Marketplace

http://solar.gwu.edu/Research/EnergyPolicy_Zweibel2010.pdf

http://howsolarworks.1bog.org/how-long-do-solar-panels-last/

http://www.supsi.ch/isaac/fotovoltaico/pv-module-performance/pubblicazioni/per-tema/module-testing.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Karen, I just noticed this post now &#8211; normally I would get an email ping.</p>
<p>Anyway, inverters are generally warranty for 10 to 12 years, although most also offer a 20 to 25 year extended warranty. Most micro-inverters come with a 25 year warranty. For instance, google up &#8220;enphase warranty&#8221; (or enecsys, sparq, etc).</p>
<p>For long-term predictions, some suggest that panel lifetimes on the order of 100 years should be considered. 40 years is more typical. But here&#8217;s some good reading:</p>
<p>Solar Photovoltaics: Competing in the Energy Marketplace</p>
<p><a href="http://solar.gwu.edu/Research/EnergyPolicy_Zweibel2010.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://solar.gwu.edu/Research/EnergyPolicy_Zweibel2010.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://howsolarworks.1bog.org/how-long-do-solar-panels-last/" rel="nofollow">http://howsolarworks.1bog.org/how-long-do-solar-panels-last/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.supsi.ch/isaac/fotovoltaico/pv-module-performance/pubblicazioni/per-tema/module-testing.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.supsi.ch/isaac/fotovoltaico/pv-module-performance/pubblicazioni/per-tema/module-testing.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Blue Ribbon Commission report on nuclear waste by Karen Street</title>
		<link>http://pathsoflight.us/musing/2012/02/blue-ribbon-commission-report-on-nuclear-waste/comment-page-1/#comment-161847</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have a lot of waste now. When the integral fast reactor comes along, when? in a couple of decades?, the waste can be retrieved, but meanwhile there are legal obligations. Even the IFR will have some waste.

You mention money. How much?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a lot of waste now. When the integral fast reactor comes along, when? in a couple of decades?, the waste can be retrieved, but meanwhile there are legal obligations. Even the IFR will have some waste.</p>
<p>You mention money. How much?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blue Ribbon Commission report on nuclear waste by George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do these so-called experts overlook the recycling of this &quot;waste&quot; into integral fast reactors?  This will convert the dangerous waste into useful energy, equivalent to many millions of barrels of oil.   Please go to the website of Joseph M. Shuster for his take on the findings of this commission.  We do not need to kick this can down the road any longer-there is a solution that will help us to kick the fossil fuel addiction and become truly free once again.  All it takes is political courage, vision, and money.  And it is doable. http://www.beyondfossilfools.com/assets/files/BRCresponse.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do these so-called experts overlook the recycling of this &#8220;waste&#8221; into integral fast reactors?  This will convert the dangerous waste into useful energy, equivalent to many millions of barrels of oil.   Please go to the website of Joseph M. Shuster for his take on the findings of this commission.  We do not need to kick this can down the road any longer-there is a solution that will help us to kick the fossil fuel addiction and become truly free once again.  All it takes is political courage, vision, and money.  And it is doable. <a href="http://www.beyondfossilfools.com/assets/files/BRCresponse.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.beyondfossilfools.com/assets/files/BRCresponse.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Optimism, obedience, and other motivations to respond to climate change by Karen Street</title>
		<link>http://pathsoflight.us/musing/2012/08/optimism-obedience-and-other-motivations-to-respond-to-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-160380</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gretchen and Bonnie, thanks for your answers. And I want to second Greg Craven&#039;s What&#039;s the Worst that Could Happen? He talks about the issues and how we talk about the issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gretchen and Bonnie, thanks for your answers. And I want to second Greg Craven&#8217;s What&#8217;s the Worst that Could Happen? He talks about the issues and how we talk about the issues.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Using insights from social science in presentations on climate change by bonnie fraser</title>
		<link>http://pathsoflight.us/musing/2012/07/using-insights-from-social-science-in-presentations-on-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-160377</link>
		<dc:creator>bonnie fraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How does being a Quaker influence my communications around climate change?  

I am also a retired college teacher who has taught communication and given a number of workshops, most recently around Nonviolent Communication issues. (Marshall Rosenberg www.cnvc.org  )


Here are some ideas that I take to be saying the same thing:    
Quakers – there is that of God in every person and we are called to speak to that of God in everyone
Maslow – our basic core motivator is a hunger for self-actualization which includes service to others 
Ken Keyes – “Behind all of our thoughts, feelings, and actions, we always have beneficial positive intentions (even though we may sometimes use unskillful ways to achieve them.)” 


When I can hold that awareness and see the honorable intention at the core of every person’s every action, I have had many amazing connections across major differences.  When we connect at that level, we can work together to solve problems.    Do I hold that center regularly?  No.  Then I get into “I am right, you are wrong/stupid/stubborn/greedy” discussions that I think add to the problem instead of contributing to building bridges.  I frequently get really overwhelmed by my fear around climate change and the best I can offer is my silence.   


Social science offers that most of our views on political issues are emotion-based, not logic-based, and therefore arguing logic with someone is generally a waste of time.  We all literally process ideas we perceive as Republican or Democrat based in different parts of our brain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does being a Quaker influence my communications around climate change?  </p>
<p>I am also a retired college teacher who has taught communication and given a number of workshops, most recently around Nonviolent Communication issues. (Marshall Rosenberg <a href="http://www.cnvc.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnvc.org</a>  )</p>
<p>Here are some ideas that I take to be saying the same thing:<br />
Quakers – there is that of God in every person and we are called to speak to that of God in everyone<br />
Maslow – our basic core motivator is a hunger for self-actualization which includes service to others<br />
Ken Keyes – “Behind all of our thoughts, feelings, and actions, we always have beneficial positive intentions (even though we may sometimes use unskillful ways to achieve them.)” </p>
<p>When I can hold that awareness and see the honorable intention at the core of every person’s every action, I have had many amazing connections across major differences.  When we connect at that level, we can work together to solve problems.    Do I hold that center regularly?  No.  Then I get into “I am right, you are wrong/stupid/stubborn/greedy” discussions that I think add to the problem instead of contributing to building bridges.  I frequently get really overwhelmed by my fear around climate change and the best I can offer is my silence.   </p>
<p>Social science offers that most of our views on political issues are emotion-based, not logic-based, and therefore arguing logic with someone is generally a waste of time.  We all literally process ideas we perceive as Republican or Democrat based in different parts of our brain.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Optimism, obedience, and other motivations to respond to climate change by bonnie fraser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonnie fraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What motivates my actions?  

I aspire to be open to leadings and I aspire to let go of my attachment to the fruits of my labors.  When I am centered, I recall that how I live each day is my responsibility, not whether my actions will make THE difference/ANY difference, concerning climate change.  I would not call this optimism or pessimism.  Sometimes I feel hopeful that we will create another way of being together; other times, I am not very hopeful.  Then I do my small actions with fear and pain in my heart as I imagine a greatly diminished quality of living for the upcoming generations in future days. 


Greg Craven, a science teacher who has written the most helpful book I know on climate change, advocates for “Rosie-ism”  after Rosie the Riveter, to roll up one’s sleeves and get busy with neither optimism or pessimism.  He also suggests several potentially helpful tactics in influencing others.  I highly recommend his book (as does Bill McKibben, General Anthony Zinni, and others).  What’s the Worst That Could Happen?  A Rational Response to the Climate Change Debate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What motivates my actions?  </p>
<p>I aspire to be open to leadings and I aspire to let go of my attachment to the fruits of my labors.  When I am centered, I recall that how I live each day is my responsibility, not whether my actions will make THE difference/ANY difference, concerning climate change.  I would not call this optimism or pessimism.  Sometimes I feel hopeful that we will create another way of being together; other times, I am not very hopeful.  Then I do my small actions with fear and pain in my heart as I imagine a greatly diminished quality of living for the upcoming generations in future days. </p>
<p>Greg Craven, a science teacher who has written the most helpful book I know on climate change, advocates for “Rosie-ism”  after Rosie the Riveter, to roll up one’s sleeves and get busy with neither optimism or pessimism.  He also suggests several potentially helpful tactics in influencing others.  I highly recommend his book (as does Bill McKibben, General Anthony Zinni, and others).  What’s the Worst That Could Happen?  A Rational Response to the Climate Change Debate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Optimism, obedience, and other motivations to respond to climate change by Gretchen Reinhardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen Reinhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to think that I operate from obedience (I am sure I don&#039;t feel especially optimistic that my actions will make much of a difference to the world my children inherit), but I&#039;m still struggling to discern my own leading in this area. I think at this point I am attempting to better understand the nature of the discomfort that arises from living as I live, and find actions which reduce my level of discomfort. I&#039;m looking for a way to live with integrity, to align my understanding with my actions. I&#039;m looking for a way to avoid being part of the problem (haven&#039;t found a way), and to instead be part of the solution (even less in reach).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to think that I operate from obedience (I am sure I don&#8217;t feel especially optimistic that my actions will make much of a difference to the world my children inherit), but I&#8217;m still struggling to discern my own leading in this area. I think at this point I am attempting to better understand the nature of the discomfort that arises from living as I live, and find actions which reduce my level of discomfort. I&#8217;m looking for a way to live with integrity, to align my understanding with my actions. I&#8217;m looking for a way to avoid being part of the problem (haven&#8217;t found a way), and to instead be part of the solution (even less in reach).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another New Yorker article: Jevons Paradox— Does Improving Efficiency Do Any Good? by Can Systems Thinking Actually Solve Sustainability Challenges? Part 1, The Diagnosis &#124; Studentreporter</title>
		<link>http://pathsoflight.us/musing/2011/01/another-new-yorker-article-jevons-paradox%e2%80%94-does-improving-efficiency-do-any-good/comment-page-1/#comment-152524</link>
		<dc:creator>Can Systems Thinking Actually Solve Sustainability Challenges? Part 1, The Diagnosis &#124; Studentreporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] When we follow a path of a variable, we also see causal loops present in the system. Causal loops are an important learning tool in systems thinking and shows how some variables can continuously reinforce, or balance each other in a loop. For instance, if technology efficiency increases, resource use decreases. Unhindered by resource availability, business activity grows and more investments are made in technology efficiency &#8211; thus putting these variables in a reinforcing loop. This seems like a good thing, since, after all, efficiency is often tooted as the “low-hanging fruit” of sustainability strategy. However, the increase in overall resource use due to higher business activity can overcome the initial decrease gained from efficiency (this is also known as the Jevon’s Paradox. See more concrete examples here). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When we follow a path of a variable, we also see causal loops present in the system. Causal loops are an important learning tool in systems thinking and shows how some variables can continuously reinforce, or balance each other in a loop. For instance, if technology efficiency increases, resource use decreases. Unhindered by resource availability, business activity grows and more investments are made in technology efficiency &#8211; thus putting these variables in a reinforcing loop. This seems like a good thing, since, after all, efficiency is often tooted as the “low-hanging fruit” of sustainability strategy. However, the increase in overall resource use due to higher business activity can overcome the initial decrease gained from efficiency (this is also known as the Jevon’s Paradox. See more concrete examples here). [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on How much does electricity cost? by Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 10:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The use of solar energy has not been opneed up because the oil industry does not own the sun.&quot;  Ralph NaderIn China, office building are cold during winter days. However, as you look across the top of the cities, you will see solar hot water heaters at the top of most buildings and homes. Solar water heating and space heating is cost effective today. Photovoltaic may one day be cost effective. It&#039;s not today. Wind and hydroelectric are in everyday use where I live.On the other hand, nuclear power has been a total disaster. The plants that were built back in the 1970 s were a financial melt down. The cost of uranium skyrocketed as plants came online. Water cooling pipes cracked and were replaced without ever being revealed to the monitoring authorities or public. Nuclear power is anything but safe, cheap, and clean. This is pure spin and double speak. Can we say Chernobyl?At every stage of mining, processing, application, and disposal, people have died. Many native American Indians died from the yellow powder they mined.  When I spoke with the young son of a millionaire about the risks of mining the uranium, his conclusion was that HE should not work in the mines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The use of solar energy has not been opneed up because the oil industry does not own the sun.&#8221;  Ralph NaderIn China, office building are cold during winter days. However, as you look across the top of the cities, you will see solar hot water heaters at the top of most buildings and homes. Solar water heating and space heating is cost effective today. Photovoltaic may one day be cost effective. It&#8217;s not today. Wind and hydroelectric are in everyday use where I live.On the other hand, nuclear power has been a total disaster. The plants that were built back in the 1970 s were a financial melt down. The cost of uranium skyrocketed as plants came online. Water cooling pipes cracked and were replaced without ever being revealed to the monitoring authorities or public. Nuclear power is anything but safe, cheap, and clean. This is pure spin and double speak. Can we say Chernobyl?At every stage of mining, processing, application, and disposal, people have died. Many native American Indians died from the yellow powder they mined.  When I spoke with the young son of a millionaire about the risks of mining the uranium, his conclusion was that HE should not work in the mines.</p>
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